jasminasul
Senior Member
Spanish Andalusia
- Aug 5, 2023
- #1
I have found some typos in this book so I wanted ask to you if material is correct here:
It was Sir Winston Churchill (1874–1965) – himself a distinguished historian of Queen Anne’s England, descended on his father’s side from the duke of Marlborough, but on his mother’s side from a citizen of the United States – who famously said to his mother’s countrymen: “Give us the tools, and we will finish the job.”28 The tools for which Churchill was asking in 1941 were, of course, material: ships, airplanes, guns. Early Modern England, 1458 to 1814.
rajulbat
Senior Member
English - United States (Houston)
- Aug 5, 2023
- #2
Yes, the term "material" refers to physical items or equipment that are necessary to carry out a task or achieve a goal. When Sir Winston Churchill said "the tools... were, of course, material," he was referring to tangible resources like ships, airplanes, and guns that were needed to help Britain in its efforts during World War II. He wasn't talking about concepts or strategies, but actual physical assets.
jasminasul
Senior Member
Spanish Andalusia
- Aug 5, 2023
- #3
Thanks, rajulbat. I meant, should it be materiel?
Downbow
Senior Member
Montreal
English - USA/Canada
- Aug 5, 2023
- #4
A valid question. Materiel (or matériel), rather than material, would refer more specifically to the types of assets Churchill was asking for.
jasminasul
Senior Member
Spanish Andalusia
- Aug 6, 2023
- #5
Thank you, Downbow.
Chasint
Senior Member
English - England
- Aug 6, 2023
- #6
jasminasul said:
Thanks, rajulbat. I meant, should it be materiel?
No, because materiel is a noun. In the sentence in question, "material" is an adjective.
The tools for which Churchill was asking in 1941 were, of course, material: (i.e. they were physical)
This could be written, The tools for which Churchill was asking in 1941 were, of course, material tools:
jasminasul
Senior Member
Spanish Andalusia
- Aug 6, 2023
- #7
Yes, I saw that possibility, but to me materiel makes more sense. I wanted to know what you all think.
Andygc
Senior Member
Devon
British English
- Aug 6, 2023
- #8
As Chasint pointed out, materiel does not make more sense, because it is a noun.
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Edinburgher
Senior Member
Scotland
German/English bilingual
- Aug 6, 2023
- #9
Chasint said:
The tools for which Churchill was asking in 1941 were, of course, material: (i.e. they were physical)
I also interpreted it as an adjective, but not with the meaning "physical". That would make little sense because tools are
alwaysphysical except when context makes clear that a different meaning is intended (which here it does not). I interpret it as meaning substantial.
Loob
Senior Member
English UK
- Aug 6, 2023
- #10
The sentence
The tools for which Churchill was asking in 1941 were, of course, material: ships, airplanes, guns.
is followed (click) by
But the job was to defend the political, social, and cultural inheritance of the Atlantic world.
So the writer's drawing a contrast between physical tools and intangible objectives.
That makes it clear - to me - that the writer means material, not materiel; and that the meaning is physical/tangible.
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Added. There's an even clearer pointer in the sentence which follows the "But the job..." one: the writer refers to the idealistic and conceptual tools and traditions necessary to achieve a just society, a democratic government, freedom of worship, and an open intellectual life
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Edinburgher
Senior Member
Scotland
German/English bilingual
- Aug 6, 2023
- #11
Loob said:
So the writer's drawing a contrast between physical tools and intangible objectives.
That by itself isn't enough, I feel, since objectives are always intangible.
Loob said:
the idealistic and conceptual tools ... necessary to
But this clinches it: the contrast is between physical and conceptual tools.
Downbow
Senior Member
Montreal
English - USA/Canada
- Aug 6, 2023
- #12
Loob said:
The sentence
The tools for which Churchill was asking in 1941 were, of course, material: ships, airplanes, guns.
is followed (click) by
But the job was to defend the political, social, and cultural inheritance of the Atlantic world.
What is it they say about context? Let's never underestimate its importance.
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Downbow
Senior Member
Montreal
English - USA/Canada
- Aug 6, 2023
- #13
Chasint said:
No, because materiel is a noun. In the sentence in question, "material" is an adjective.
Matériel could be a noun with "ships, airplanes, guns" in apposition. However, with the additional context provided, it is clear that this is not the case.
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jasminasul
Senior Member
Spanish Andalusia
- Aug 6, 2023
- #14
Thanks for your help. If I find errors in a book, I keep double guessing the author instead of trying to understand what he or she is saying. I still enjoyed the book though.
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